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Here we go...another flag controversy!

Discussion in 'Civil War History - General Discussion' started by PlowKing, Jan 18, 2012.

  1. PlowKing Corporal

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  3. unionblue Lt. Colonel

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    School property, public access, public facility, and a personal, individual act vs. a large number of other folks. He can keep his pride, he can fly his flag, but his pride must be prepared to co-exist with others pride in a public place, because his pride is worth no more and no less than others pride. It makes better sense to fly his flag from his truck driving to home school.

    Sorry, but this one is a no-brainer. On your private property, fly whatever flag you want. If you drive that private property to a public one, why the surprise?

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  4. ole Brig. General, Mod

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    No comment.
  5. Jojotater Private

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    I see no problem with the punishment as long as everyone else has to follow the same rules of not "offending" other people: no offensive shirts, bumper stickers, music, etc. However, whoever has to make that judgement will probably offend everyone. Seems the school makes the rules up on the fly.

    Flying a flag in that manner in the back of a truck doesn't look to me to be a proper way to show pride in your heritage. Looks like a redneck stirring the pot, especially when you've been punished once. However, I could be wrong, and he may be a civil war buff and he may be standing on principle.:nah disagree: Yeah, I doubt it.
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    Maybe I am missing the point, but the way I read the article, the school is saying he cannot drive his truck to and from school. On the public streets, I do believe he has a 1st ammendment right to freedom of speech which clearly, the flying of the CBF is. I do believe I read the article clearly that he takes it down when entering the parking lot, which is the property of the school. The fact that someone can see the flag flying on a public street is not germaine.
  7. Jojotater Private

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    I agree with you totally bama46 on that point. While on the school property should be the only concern of the school, and that is what my comment was about.
  8. Nathanb1 Brig. General, Mod

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    "Maybe as a parent I should have said no, but I didn't because I know Riley is trying to be someone, he's trying to get his own self-esteem and everything, and I didn't see him doing no wrong flying the confederate flag," said Gene Collier.

    Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Roll out the stereotypes. They don't deserve a flag until they can speak English properly. I assume they're missing a few teeth as well.
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  9. Jojotater Private

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    Yeah, without them there teeth "anything" sure sounds like "no."
  10. Nathanb1 Brig. General, Mod

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    I assure you if the school admin. said anything remotely ungrammatical there wouldn't be a direct quote. It would be "fixed." Never doubt a reporter's ability to inject "local color" into a story. (Think stereotypical CNN interview after a disaster in the South--they won't talk to the folks with suits, just Bubba the village idiot)

    I am reminded of the Designing Women episode where Dixie Carter became furious reading about Southerners eating dirt. Anyone remember that?

    http://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...esigning women eat dirt&fr=mcafee&fr2=piv-web
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    Like the ones talking about the tornado.:D
  12. unionblue Lt. Colonel

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    Ed,

    It sounded like to me is how could he get to school by driving his truck with a Confederate flag and park on school property, a privilge which had been pulled for his doing such? Seems he refused to drive and park his truck without flying the flag getting into that parking lot so he had a choice, remove it, walk, or get a ride from his Dad. I wonder why he couldn't park it on the street outside school property, but he may not have had a choice. Point is, it was his, he made it, and he must suffer the consequences of his choice.

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  13. SouthernRebel772 Corporal

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    Seems he was doing his best to compromise, he took down the flag on school property, the school should have no athority over anything else, otherwise it is an arbitrary abuse of power.
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    As usual, wouldn't you say we don't have the entire story? I can't really understand how they could pull his driving privileges outside of school--that wouldn't happen in Texas. They could certainly refuse to let him fly the flag on school property or within eyeshot of the school. So there's something that's been left out.....I was wondering why he couldn't go to school the good old fashioned way--on a bus or walking uphill 7 miles in the snow. :cold:
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    Nathanb1,

    I agree we are only getting the story that has been shown on a TV network. I am of the opinion that the school could in no way suspend his driving privileges outside of school. What I am suggesting is the young man did not want to park his truck off of school grounds, for whatever reason he has, and asked his Dad to drive him to school instead.

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    PS I finished my homework but I left it in my truck at home. Will that excuse fly with you? :smile:
  16. Nathanb1 Brig. General, Mod

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    Maybe the kid didn't want to park his truck off school grounds BECAUSE SOMEONE WOULD COME ALONG AND KEY IT. :smile:

    Okay. Now that you know what I'm like in person, picture me giving you "THE LOOK" and standing over your desk with my arms crossed. Now tell me you left the homework in your truck. Really? Did you remember to put your clothes on this morning? Bring your cell phone? Uh huh. .......
  17. prroh 1st Lieutenant

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    it appears that the driving privileges might actually mean parking privileges. Why couldn't he take the bus like his less fortunate classmates. Agree that, as in too many such stories, there is a lot more than what is is in the story.
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    The biggest problem I see with the way the story is presented is that the school cannot cite a specific school code that this young man violated. As to the suspension of his driving privileges, this may refer to his privilege to bring his vehicle onto the school property rather than suspension of his right to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. I'm not aware of any state in this country that confers the authority of the Secretary of State to a local school district. Regardless, unless the school can present a specific rule that he would violate by flying the flag on his vehicle, then they cannot punish him for doing so. If on the other hand, the school cited a specific regulation and he went ahead and continued to fly it afterwards, then of course, he deserves sanctions.
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    Neil,
    I am not saying he is exercising good judgement. Teenage boys are supposed to be stupid.
    What I believe he is doing is flying the flag on public streets. A clear exercise of his first ammendment rights. The school does not or should not have any jurisdiction on public streets. In addition, he is recognizing the school's authority over its parking lot by removing the offending article prior to entering same. Is the school claiming he cannot park in their lot because he has a UNSEEN flag in his truck? IMHO the school administration is acting in an arbitrary manner in this instance, at least from the information provided. I can see how a principal would issue such an order, then be unable to back down lest he be seen as "weak"..
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    Maybe Ed, but like you said, we're not getting all of the story, not by any means.

    Sincerely,
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    From what I can tell, this kid is attempting to comply with the school rules, taking the battle flag down when his truck is on school property, however, and I agree with some of these previous assessments, that the full story is not being told. If this young guy is removing the CBF, in good faith, when he arrives on school property, then he should be given some slack for attempting to comply with the school rules. That signals to me that he is at least trying to comply with the rules, which, in addition, I would have to give him credt for. If the school administrator is so totally against any view whatsoever of the CBF, for ANY length of time, on school property, then perhaps this level of intolerance should be reviewed and reconsidered, as possibly 'over the line' behavior, or at least subject to such review by the city and school administrators. Everybody has a boss, whether they like it or not, or whether they'll acknowledge it or not.

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