J. Ziemer: 4th Infantry Regiment Louisiana

Looking for any info on "J. Ziemer" who was in the 4th Infantry Regiment Louisiana. Also, looking for any information on the 4th Infantry Regiment Louisiana, which I believe suffered a great number of casualities during the war. Thanks.

Here he is...

J. Ziemer (First_Last)
Regiment Name 4 Regiment, 1 Brigade, 1 Division, Louisiana Militia
Side Confederate
Company D
Soldier's Rank_In 3 Lieutenant
Soldier's Rank_Out 3 Lieutenant
Alternate Name
Notes
Film Number M378 roll 31


Here a link that describe the condition of the 4th Reg. Scroll to page 11 and you will see the officers of the 4th reg. It stops at 2nd LT. and j ziemer is a 3rd LT an odd rank.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tQ...&resnum=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false


He belong to the 1st Div. 1st Brig. 4th Reg. LA. Militia...Is different form the 4th LA. Infantry Regiment...

J. Ziemer form what county in LA. ?

I found this but no new info need to scroll down to his name...

http://www.youngsanders.org/znames.pdf

I'm not sure what county in LA he would be from. I had some relatives that went from Illinois (where I'm from originally) go South in the 1840's and Ziemer is an odd name in the South. What does this mean? "Film Number M378 roll 31" Is there a photo of him somewhere? Why is a 3rd LT an odd rank? Thanks for your info!

Also, would the 4th Regiment, 1 Brigade, 1 Division, Louisiana Militia have a battle flag? If so, where I could I see a photo or scan of one?

Here something....

http://www.acadiansingray.com/unit_near_misses.htm

I contacted the state of Louisiana and got copies of the micro film with "J Ziemer" on them. There was little to no info on the Fourth Regiment, First Brigade, First Division, Militia. Does anyone have any info on this regiment? I've searched all over the Internet but I can't find any battle history or info on this regiment. I do find a few names that fought in is unit, but that's it. Any photos, info, links or books would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I looked it up on the national parks site, but it states that there is no history on that unit. Usually when I see that it means that it was consolidated with another unit early on (doesn't mean that is the case here, but definitely something else to look into). Here is what I see on J. Ziemer:

J. Ziemer (First_Last)Regiment Name 4 Regiment, 1 Brigade, 1 Division, Louisiana MilitiaSide Confederate Company D Soldier's Rank_In 3 Lieutenant Soldier's Rank_Out 3 Lieutenant Alternate Name Notes Film Number M378 roll 31

When I looked for him on footnote, I only saw two muster sheets ... and they state he was a third lieutenant with Company D, Capt. Theo M. Alonzo's Co. (D), 4 Reg't, 1 Brig, Louisiana Militia. Neither one of the sheets is dated. Have you tried looking up your ancestor with alternate spellings of the last name?

Go here to page 14 - starting there it lists all the Louisiana regiments etc for the civil war ... http://www.archives.gov/research/microfilm/m861.pdf.
Here is everything listed for the 4th. Your ancestor's regiment did exist, it's just a matter of trying to solve the mystery.

Fourth Infantry
Fourth Regiment, European Brigade, Militia
Fourth Regiment, French Brigade, Militia
Fourth Regiment, First Brigade, First Division, Militia
Fourth Regiment, Second Brigade, First Division, Militia
Fourth Regiment, Third Brigade, First Division, Militia

Fourth Battalion, Infantry

I also tried a search on the national archives for his division/regiment, but the site just went down. In the meantime, here are your ancestor's two muster rolls that I was able to find.

What are muster sheets? I have copies of the images you uploaded that were given to me from the state of LA, along with some scans of sheets which list troops that were in each company i.e. Company D. I also did a search for Capt Alonzo hoping to find more info on him or his battle record and I can't locate any info on him either. I tried searching the state civil war database hoping to find info on if J Ziemer was killed during the war or where he may be buried and I've turned up nothing.

I should also note, that when I spoke to the Secretary of State office in LA, they said they have no pension application or record for J Ziemer. They just had the muster sheet and some company info with his name on it.

There is no such thing as an odd name in Louisiana.

Muster sheets are the pages that I posted (that you already have). I searched for Captain Alonzo on footnote and only came up with the same two sheets that your ancestor has. So I'm assuming that either the records were lost (which is not uncommon in the confederate states - it happened to two of my ancestors, one of whom we assume is buried somewhere in MS or TN) or the company/regiment was merged with another.

I also looked at the individual unit muster sheets, and there are only the two same sheets for each unit in that regiment. Maybe the regiment wasn't in existence long enough? I'm honestly at a loss on this one. Hopefully someone else can step in and offer some more assistance; I'm definitely not an expert - it may be that the NARA has more records than what the state of LA has ... if you want to pay the $25 fee, you can send a request. Let me know if you want the info on how to do that.

What's the NARA and do you think it would have more information then the documents I have?

The NARA is the National Archives and Records Admininstration (www.archives.gov). I just sent off for my first set of records, and the says it is awaiting shipment - which hopefully means I will get it soon. I'm not sure if it will have more or less information than I already have on my ancestor, but I am definitely hoping more! I have heard that the NARA will oftentimes have more detailed information than what is available online, and also sometimes different information than what is available from the state.

You can also try doing a records search, or publication search on the archives' website. Here is the site I generally visit to begin one of my searches for publications regarding specific units: http://www.archives.gov/research/genealogy/.

Also, there is a list of links in a post at the top of this forum that you can use that may help, too.

I assume He they fought with my GG Grandfathers unit He was in Co. F, assigned to the Army of the Tennessee.

So what information do you have on your GG Grandfathers service untis?

My GG Granddad Martin Bryant enlisted April 6, 1862 in Monroe Louisiana.
Company F was the last to join the Fourth Louisiana Infantry Battalion.
They left Ouachita Parish in the spring of 1862 and joined the Battalion on
James Island a few months prior to the battle of Secessionville, in June of 1862.
It appears that Lt. Colonel John McEnery raised this company while
home in Monroe on furlough. This company was known as the Ouachita Rebels.

He wounded in the battles at Shiloh, Chickamanga.

I think these may different then. My ancestor was in the 4th Regiment First Brigade, not infantry or are these the same?


He wounded in the battles at Shiloh, Chickamanga.