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Your opinion of the CSA.

Discussion in 'Civil War History - Secession and Politics' started by Desert Kid, Jan 19, 2012.

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  1. bankerpapaw Corporal

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    "Rich man's war. Poor man's fight.
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  3. bama46 Captain

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    Agreed, my friend
  4. Jojotater Private

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    My goodness! The war was around 150 years ago. Who would be "they" now? I'm sure most of us have ancestors that fought on both sides. I was just reminded on this thread that so many Southerners fought for the North. However, I agree with you on the slavery part.
  5. BillO First Sergeant

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    I don't know the difference between the draft and conscription. Please explain. I went through the 19 year old lottery in 1971 but wasn't taken.
  6. mulejack Sergeant

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    The they's I was referring to abound on Civil War talk sites everywhere and that is strictly my humble opinion. I do not question anyones post or use them in discussion for or against, but when someone takes a personal shot at my intelligence or lack of it I take umbarge to it. As was the case in the post you have questioned. As a fellow historical fiction novelist I find the discussions on this board exteremely interesting and usually without personal rancor. With exceptions of course.

    Mulejack
  7. Will Posey Sergeant

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    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conscription
    Definition of CONSCRIPTION. : compulsory enrollment of persons especially for military service : draft ·

    I don't see a difference.

    Will
  8. Jojotater Private

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    I understand, friend. Thanks for clearing that up. It can get pretty passionate here. :wink:
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    I don't think it would have made a viable nation.
    I think the beating they (both sides, actually) took was necessary, and probably sufficient.

    It's history, it's dead; it's ridiculous to go on whinging about it. Three great grandfathers were killed during the British massacre at Ft Griswold. And so what? It was a lousy, raw deal for the widows and children, but there's no point in going on and on and on about it. It was a war; ugly things happen in wars, and to be quite frank, they were among those who brought on the war. Is it just? Is it right? No, it's history. No more, and certainly no less.
  10. johan_steele Retired Mod; Still CoTM

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    Conscription = an officer w/ a Sgt or other NCO in tow roaming the coutryside grabbing whoever they wanted and forcibly conscripting them into the Army. Conscription Officers were viewed as the lowest of the low by the men in the field, men who received a commision through cronieism or outright bribery. Missisippi & Texas in particular and elsewhere throughout the CS had problems w/ conscription resistance. It was met w/ resentment and even armed resistance. Both Gov Vance & Brown had a real problem w/ such. To add insult to injury Conscription officers often also did double duty as tithe & tax collectors.

    Every CS soldier in the field who would have had his enlistment expire was forcibly reenlisted for the duration; some didn't mind, some voted on the subject w/ their feet. Men who refused were brutally punished and those who deserted faced possible execution... unless he had 20 slaves in which case then he was exempt from military service at all.


    The US Draft did not equal armed officers roaming the coutryside randomly choosing who would be in the army. It never happened like that in NYC or, as Battalion likes too imply, w/ the USCT. It meant a chance a man would end up in the army and the real annoyance at the process was that a wealthy man could hire a substitue... something your average Irish immigrant couldn't hope to do. The men who were ordered into NYC to quell the riots were rather unsympathetic having just come from the field of Gettysburg. When the 1st MN was ordered to load blanks, the reply was: "Blanks Hell!" They loaded as they had at Gettysburg and fixed bayonets.

    Were there stories of immigrants coming right off the boats and finding themselves in the army? Probably but I suspect such was the exception rather than the rule.
  11. matthew mckeon Brig. General, Mod

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    More technically, conscription requires military service of all adult males, while the draft does not. Either randomly(as in Vietnam), a smaller number are chosen for military service. In the Union, the draft was used to make up shortfalls in volunteers.

    There was a dark side to CW recruitment on both sides. Substitutes, crimping, twenty negro law. On small farms, dependent on muscle power, the breadwinner in the army meant a drastic negative change. Governor Brown gets a lot of criticism for all the exceptions he granted, but he had a reason.

    Recently I read "World On Fire" and English citizens were swept into both armies.
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    Your point would have more merit if the South was not collecting a measly percentage of the revenue. If the South's leaving would cost so much, how is it that the economy of the North didn't suffer when the Southern states seceded?

    R
  13. wilber6150 Brig. General, Mod

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    Exactly, nothing was ever proven that he was a agent of either the government or army...
  14. ole Brig. General, Mod

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    Was your name drawn? Under conscription, one wouldn't have luck of the draw, one would go with the officials or head for the hills.
  15. Rob9641 2nd Lieutenant

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    If it had no such intent, why did the secession ordinance and the Charleston Mercury say "the union is dissolved?" Why did the new CSA send representatives to other states to talk them into leaving the Union? They knew they were dissolving the Union. Dissolve = destroy.
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    Disagree.... dissolve in this instance means leave. You have changed whatever was dissolved. If you dissolve a lump of sugar in water, you have not destroyed the sugar. You have changed it's characteristics.
    The destruction came about with the firing on Ft. Sumpter. Absent that event, we would be looking at an entirely different history.
  17. mulejack Sergeant

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    How else can you explain going to war other than to destroy your enemy. Is there some other unexplained reason for armed conf;lict other than to overthrow it's goverment as we did in the American revolution?

    Mulejack
  18. BillO First Sergeant

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    So conscription is basically the same as the old british navy impressment?
  19. BillO First Sergeant

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    Yes there is. The Confederate govt. started the war with the intention of fighting a defensive war. This was one of their many strategic errors.
  20. unionblue Lt. Colonel

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    At the moment, I do not know, but if any were organized in southern Ohio, would that somehow be satisfactory to you? :smile:

    The fact remains, there were Southerners from every state in the Confederacy that supplied men to the Union army and they numbered in the hundreds of thousands. If Lee had been able to have these men available for his use, he could have replaced ALL of his loses during the war.
  21. bama46 Captain

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    Prior to Sumpter, there was no war!
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